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Creative Writing => The Blackboard => Topic started by: Seer Fox on July 15, 2007, 11:24:10 pm



Title: A novel challenge.
Post by: Seer Fox on July 15, 2007, 11:24:10 pm
Literally. I reckon we've enough talent around now to start up something promising here, like a collection of short stories.

So here we are. This is a...well, not a competition exactly, not yet, but more a challenge where the entires will be put into a short story novel to be published. The stories written for this challenge will be viewable on this forum, for this first one, though if this gets popular enough then eventually the stories will be hidden and people will have to purchase the book to read them.

So, where and who and how will the publishing be done? Well firstly after compiling the stories, I will be putting it together  and getting it published through Cafe Press (http://www.cafepress.com/cp/info/help/learn_book.aspx#marketing_techniques). I'll be getting us a front cover and a back cover somehow...perhaps by way of a design competition, infact.

Whether anyone will buy these books, I dunno...but at some point I will be buying several and will go walking around town, into the local bookshops, to see if I can get them on the shelves. Telling people about OW and giving them sample books would also be useful.


So then. The challenge for this book is as follows.

Write a 10 page short story. Font 12, A4.

Any subject, any characters, any style.

When I get, say, ten of these stories, I will compile them. If there is a shortage of stories, I will do another 10 page story. Or two. Or however many it takes.


Is anyone interested? I shall give a starting and closing date if I get enough entries.


Ah yes. And lest I forget poetry. Somebody get me a few pages worth of poetry. GOOD poetry, thankyou. I shall supply a couple myself.

So...what say you?

Ciat,
Seer Fox


Title: Re: A novel challenge.
Post by: Kitsune Tsuki on July 16, 2007, 12:16:48 am
I like this idea.  Do you know how much each book costs on cafepress?  I may try selling it to some of my friends/teachers.  Make sure that you mention the site a lot.  Like, have it at the bottom of each page (Ok, that's overkill, but you get the idea).

Anyways, I do have one idea to throw out there.  It may be used better on future compilations, though.  Why not have all the stories written in a similar setting.  Akin to what we were doing with Entilea.  Don't turn it into an RPG, but just a unified setting.  Maybe use the book as a method of introducing background/material via stories.  Anyways, that's just one comment.

I will more likely try and make the cover to it, though Mak will probably one up me with his amazing photoshop skills.  I really haven't written anything lately, so I may give it a try.  Maybe I'll put up that story I started when we moved to the new site.

How many stories are we adding?  I think 5 or 6, plus maybe ten pages of poems would work well.

Lastly, is it ten pages double spaced?  I assume yes.


Title: Re: A novel challenge.
Post by: Seer Fox on July 16, 2007, 12:40:21 am
It'll be 5 x 8, standard paperback size. The prices are as follows:

Per Page                         $0.03
Flat Binding Fee   $7

We're using a perfect binding, paperback, and I suppose we'd be using about...a hundred/ a hundred and twenty pages? So each one would cost roughly $10.6 or £5.21, without any profit added. Say we round it up so it's $11 and £6 apiece; giving the extra amount of cash to the site...maybe if it gets popular enough in the future, we can add more to it to reward those who contribute.


And no, not ten pages double-spaced. TEN. PAGES. No spaces. Most writers can manage a page a day, give or take, and I'm sure if I give all applicants time enough to think about their subject and what they're going to write, we'll be laughing. Ten A4 pages is about equal to 20 5 x 8 pages, so we'll get a decent amount of decently sized stories together in a decent amount of time.

I like your idea, Jewie...but I also like the free-form way of this compilation...

I believe we shall have two of these books. One for these random ones, and one for a consise view of a fictional world. An Entilea view.

Anything else?

Ciat,
Seer Fox


Title: Re: A novel challenge.
Post by: - Makenshi - on July 16, 2007, 02:46:35 am
All sounds good to me, and I'll hopefully have my computer working for more than 10 minutes at a time soon enough to contribute myself (to one or both of the proposed ideas).

~MTWC


Title: Re: A novel challenge.
Post by: Insomniac on July 16, 2007, 02:26:36 pm
The idea sounds intriguing.  I wouldn't mind participating.  Are there going to be limits on content (profanity, violence, etc)?

What about a deadline?  Are we going to want to get all contributions in by X date?

J.


Title: Re: A novel challenge.
Post by: Seer Fox on July 16, 2007, 07:30:27 pm
Yes, there will be a start date and an end date. I'm thinking either a month or a fortnight. Fortnight is winning out right now.

Currently looking at how things are set up, I have found a better site to make our book...but it seems unless we go to a 'proper' self-publishing house we can't go around selling these things ourselves to make a profit; we'll need people to go online to our 'shop' and make a purchase there for profit.

So I shall buy a bunch of books and try and put them on shelves and stuff for free or 100% profit for the bookstore, and then, if they feel they can sell more of these, they can buy more off our store. Even if the stores won't take 'em, I'll still try and get the books in circulation somehow, see if we can't get it a few reviews...

And anything goes for this. Anything...as long as it's good, that is.

Ciat,
Seer Fox


Title: Re: A novel challenge.
Post by: Insomniac on July 16, 2007, 08:35:31 pm
So when we have a story that we think is half decent, do we post it here for review by the community, make our revisions and delete the post?

J.


Title: Re: A novel challenge.
Post by: Seer Fox on July 16, 2007, 08:38:51 pm
Sounds good for a first go. In later editions we might set up a supa-seekrit review panel for these things.

Ciat,
Seer Fox


Title: Re: A novel challenge.
Post by: EightyEight on July 17, 2007, 06:50:42 am
I guess I could do something. 10 pages, though... it's sort of an uncomfortable length between too short and too long. Between short story and novella. Meh. See, when you make that distinction that you're out of short story land, you can't really do much in the way of a twist ending - the story has been building up too much momentum to suddenly jerk it around. You have to have a beginning, middle and end. In 10 pages.

Sounds like a challenge.


Title: Re: A novel challenge.
Post by: Tau Worlock on July 17, 2007, 09:58:26 am
I am in; itís as simple as that.

I will have a lock trough my pomes and any good once will get a polish so that they can be submitted, as for a story, I mind is already throwing plotlines around.


Title: Re: A novel challenge.
Post by: jazen on July 17, 2007, 10:09:26 am
OK, I like this idea, will do my best to put something together, but no promises, 10 pages is an awful lot, I will try though.


Title: Re: A novel challenge.
Post by: pink monkey bird on July 17, 2007, 09:15:53 pm
ok, there is NO way i can write a 10 page story, but poetry shouldn't be a poem, umm define a few pages 3, 5, 15?


Title: Re: A novel challenge.
Post by: Seer Fox on July 17, 2007, 09:22:02 pm
TEN.

For the love of god, TEN! Everything is ten! I'm pretty sure I have said, at several instances, that we want TEN pages of poetry!

And ten pages where the I's are in caps, if you don't mind.

Ciat,
Seer Fox


Title: Re: A novel challenge.
Post by: pink monkey bird on July 17, 2007, 09:27:16 pm
i guessed so, but no, you never said it, i just wanted to check.


Title: Re: A novel challenge.
Post by: Kitsune Tsuki on July 18, 2007, 01:44:43 am
TEN.

For the love of god, TEN! Everything is ten! I'm pretty sure I have said, at several instances, that we want TEN pages of poetry!

And ten pages where the I's are in caps, if you don't mind.

Ciat,
Seer Fox
I'd suggest at least 25 lines for a poem.  That should be a decent amount.  You can up it, but I think that's a fair number.


Title: Re: A novel challenge.
Post by: pink monkey bird on July 18, 2007, 08:26:19 pm
why 25 lines in a poem? I don't understand the need for that restriction, nor do I think that 25+ line poetry is
A: easy to write
or
B: any good

(oh and seer capital i's happy?)


Title: Re: A novel challenge.
Post by: Kitsune Tsuki on July 18, 2007, 09:03:51 pm
Because it fills a page.  Again, I would have to test around in the appropiate size sheet of paper, to find a more accurate answer.  I said 25 as a guess.


Title: Re: A novel challenge.
Post by: Seer Fox on July 18, 2007, 09:29:33 pm
Mmm.

Good poems don't have to be longer than 25 lines. So sayeth the haiku.

Ciat,
Seer Fox


Title: Re: A novel challenge.
Post by: pink monkey bird on July 19, 2007, 05:25:14 pm
kitsune tsuki whats the problem with having 2 or more poems on a page?


Title: Re: A novel challenge.
Post by: Seer Fox on July 19, 2007, 06:14:35 pm
*Disguises himself as Tsuki*

BECAUSE ITS A SIN AGAINST MANKIND.

Ciat,
Seer Fox


Title: Re: A novel challenge.
Post by: Tau Worlock on July 19, 2007, 06:19:21 pm
which mankind? yours or everybodys?
and that disguise is not very good

pmb i think its because it would not look as nice


Title: Re: A novel challenge.
Post by: Seer Fox on July 19, 2007, 06:23:31 pm
Yeah, that...

AND BECAUSE ITS A SIN AGAINST MANKIND.

Ciat,
Seer Fox


Title: Re: A novel challenge.
Post by: pink monkey bird on July 19, 2007, 10:52:05 pm
the aesthetics would not be terrible, and it isn't really that important anyway, as long as the poems are linked (which of course they would be), though not neccisarily particularly strongly, because they wouldn't have to be, niether poem would take the emphasis off the other so, in terms of the poetic message there wouldn't be a problem. I am not a member of mankind having renounced my humanity about a year ago, so why should i give a **** about sins against them? and finnally if you have a problem about 2 poems a page, have half filled pages, or don't include poetry, i feel these are your only options.


Title: Re: A novel challenge.
Post by: Seer Fox on July 19, 2007, 11:18:15 pm
OR....

We could just not include your poetry. I have a good...forty pieces at my disposal, from various online friends. Shocking as it may sound, you are disposable...much like every other human on this planet, actually. Humanity or not.

Hee.

Ciat,
Seer Fox


Title: Re: A novel challenge.
Post by: pink monkey bird on July 19, 2007, 11:32:08 pm
if you have 40 peices of poetry all good and all 25 lines exactly, i believe your online friends are not human. i at least am not a robot.


Title: Re: A novel challenge.
Post by: Seer Fox on July 19, 2007, 11:35:33 pm
Don't have to be EXACTLY 25 lines. Just short and sweet, and know them complete, when you wore a younger man's clothes.

And at least they have SOULS! THEY CAN LOVE, MONKEY BIRD, THEY CAN LOOOOVVVEEEE!!!

Also, ten points goes to the man (or woman) who gets the song reference.

Ciat,
Seer Fox


Title: Re: A novel challenge.
Post by: pink monkey bird on July 19, 2007, 11:42:15 pm
Don't talk to me of love seer.

and your right, i doubt i have a soul. just ask my ex's

as to the poetry, why put a line restriction on it?, thee is no line restriction on the stories why add additional restriction to the poery that seems to have no real bearing on anything at all?

that is all i have wanted to know.


Title: Re: A novel challenge.
Post by: Seer Fox on July 19, 2007, 11:49:55 pm
Well the line restriction wasn't my idea...really, we just want one poem per page, an' if it goes over, then we pay more for it. Savvy?

So it's in everyone's best interest to try and fit one poem on one page. And the stories do have a page restriction of ten, afterall. Would you prefer me to count up the lines and put that up as a restriction instead?

Ciat,
Seer Fox


Title: Re: A novel challenge.
Post by: pink monkey bird on July 20, 2007, 12:10:11 am
it's not that, i just don't know what you have against the shorter poems.


Title: Re: A novel challenge.
Post by: Seer Fox on July 20, 2007, 12:22:16 am
They knife babies in their sleep.

Ciat,
Seer Fox


Title: Re: A novel challenge.
Post by: pink monkey bird on July 20, 2007, 12:33:53 am
true but i still don't see what you have against shorter poems


Title: Re: A novel challenge.
Post by: Seer Fox on July 20, 2007, 12:40:54 am
They have rabies.

Ciat,
Seer Fox


Title: Re: A novel challenge.
Post by: pink monkey bird on July 20, 2007, 12:46:42 am
true but i still don't see what youhave against short poems

we could do this all day, why are they not allowed in the book, simple serious answer is all i ask.


Title: Re: A novel challenge.
Post by: Seer Fox on July 20, 2007, 12:50:09 am
And you get an easy answer;

Because we want ten poems, we want them of reasonable length, and we only want them to take up ten pages. Maybe less, seeing as we're printing on both sides. Also, you'll find that in poetry books, every poem gets its own page, regardless of length.

Yeah, that's a thought, isn't it? The book is going to be half as thick as we first imagined.

Ciat,
Seer Fox


Title: Re: A novel challenge.
Post by: pink monkey bird on July 20, 2007, 01:04:27 am
i still think 12 lines is a reasonable length, half a page of poetry isn't bad. oh well, i'll worry more about writing the poetry than what others think about the length.


Title: Re: A novel challenge.
Post by: Kitsune Tsuki on July 20, 2007, 01:49:26 am
i still think 12 lines is a reasonable length, half a page of poetry isn't bad. oh well, i'll worry more about writing the poetry than what others think about the length.
Again, I'll look to see what a better length to fill the page is soon.  But, till then, expect about 20-25.  That's an guess, so it is subject to change once I stop being lazy and get you a definite answer.  Hit me up on MSN tomorrow and remind me and I'll look into it.


Title: Re: A novel challenge.
Post by: EightyEight on July 20, 2007, 06:33:26 am
You can fill half a page up with pictures, though, can't you? They'd just have to be a unified art style through the whole book.


Title: Re: A novel challenge.
Post by: Kitsune Tsuki on July 20, 2007, 06:49:03 am
Artwork is out.  We're going to have a competition for a cover/rear, but that's it.  And I have a feeling it's going to come down to who can fiddle around in photoshop the best.

The reasoning for no artwork is it's hard, and often expensive to put quality artwork in a book.  We may consider it in future books, but for now it's right out.


Title: Re: A novel challenge.
Post by: jazen on July 20, 2007, 06:58:46 am
I agree with Kitsune about the pictures, however, whoever said that poetry books only have on poem per page is wrond, check out 'The Kingfisher book of Comic Verse' chosen by Roger McGough, im sure there are more that was just the closest to my computer, the anthology we used in English last year had 2 per page.
Another comment on the poems, could they take up 2 pages, for example a double page, this would allow 50 lines, approx, just a suggestion.


Title: Re: A novel challenge.
Post by: Kitsune Tsuki on July 20, 2007, 07:09:59 am
Alright I found a 5x8 book.  I think it's a good size.  I also think that approximately 150-200 pages would make a decent size.  It would be small enough that it doesn't seem like a huge book, but big enough that it doesn't seem short.  Again, make it almost seem like a sampler.

Poem length.  I counted the lines in the book, which uses about 12 pt font, 1.5 spaced, you could fit a good 30-ish lines on a page.  So, I think a poem should be about 20-30 lines in length.  I would prefer to have 1 to a page, for the majority.  A couple shorter poems compiled onto a couple pages may squeeze their way in.  Likewise, one or two long poems, taking two pages, may go in as well.  The reason behind why 1 page, 1 poem is that it looks good, IMO.  Again, this may change.

I still need to verify in word how many lines a poem should be (approximately).

EDIT:  I did a sample page.  Currently, we can fit 22 lines to a page, at 1.5 spacing. Message me on MSN, or email me if you desire a copy.  Attachments don't want to work, and I don't feel like fiddling with them right now.  Got it working.


Title: Re: A novel challenge.
Post by: Tau Worlock on July 20, 2007, 10:01:09 am
Lets gather our poems and see what we get, and then we can look at line length.

Artwork only for the front possibly back, we are after all writers, not painters (or photoshpoers)


Title: Re: A novel challenge.
Post by: Seer Fox on July 20, 2007, 02:29:36 pm
I agree with Kitsune about the pictures, however, whoever said that poetry books only have on poem per page is wrond, check out 'The Kingfisher book of Comic Verse' chosen by Roger McGough, im sure there are more that was just the closest to my computer, the anthology we used in English last year had 2 per page.

Well darn. I guess I shoulda said 'most poetry books.

And I'd still prefer one per page, unless that one long poem is REALLY GOOD.

Ciat,
Seer Fox


Title: Re: A novel challenge.
Post by: Seer Fox on July 22, 2007, 05:36:19 pm
All right.

All entries are to be in size 12, with Times New Roman font. No spaces between the lines. Stories are to be 10 A4 pages in length, all poems are to take up approx. 1 page.

Date due for the first draft of the stories is the 4th of August.

Date due for the first draft of poems is the 10th of August.

Put the stories up on the Critiques Corner for a good overlooking. I'll be creating a thread specifically for them. Same for the poems on their board.

We'll give the review process five days. Then we do a second and final draft.

Date due for the complete stories is the 14th of August.

Date due for the complete poems is the 20th of August.


ANY WORK NOT IN BY THE FIRST DRAFT WILL NOT BE INCLUDED.

So sayeth the All-Father.

Ciat,
Seer Fox


Title: Re: A novel challenge.
Post by: EightyEight on July 23, 2007, 12:30:17 pm
I've finally had an idea for a story, and just to clarify: does it have to be precisely ten pages? Seems a bit draconian. Anyway, expect some work from me soon.


Title: Re: A novel challenge.
Post by: Seer Fox on July 23, 2007, 07:13:50 pm
Could be a little less.

Ciat,
Seer Fox